Monday, November 16, 2009

Horse training help needed!!!?

my horse has been neglected and iguess you could say mentally abused... he was left alone in a pature with his mom without any human interaction execpt being chased by four whhelers for the first year and a half of his life. than he was taken to some other idiot who tried to saddle and ride him without any ground work while it was tranqued to get his teeth done... bad experience. so this horse is nervous around everything and hates to have a rider on its back. we desensitized him to a certain extent... i mean we can rub a plastic bag all over him, but each time we pull it out its like hes never seen it and we have to get him used to it all over again. he can load into any type of trailer well, he is ok with being tied and having his feet cleaned out and trimmed (we don't shoe him) but he won't let us bath or clip him. I can put a saddle on him and even get on him in the stall and sit there and he'll be fine, but when we lead him out to the round pen and get on, he freaks. help please!!

Horse training help needed!!!?
I'm just gonna give a couple of tips...It's hard to give advice when we can't see what the horse is doing...and when.





Please don't get on the horse in the stall, especially if he has "freak out" problems...that's an injury to you...waiting to happen.





Plastic bags...like grocery bags? I've desensitized mine to them by bringing their grain to them in the bag. I rattle it, squish it around, and let them smell it, and even eat out of it...while I'm holding it. Mine come from across the pasture if I'm carrying bags.





Bathing...begin to desensitize...just start with water on the feet and legs. Until he accepts it, and just stands there. May take more than one day to achieve this. Don't rush it. Every time he accepts the water on him...move higher.





You'll have to explain more when you say he freaks out when you get on him...while you're mounting? After you are in the saddle? When you ask him to move?





Then don't ask him to move. This is another desensitizing process. Try just mounting and sitting there. And don't tense up. Try waiting for him to move on his own. I'd be concerned that he is learning to "get rid of you" and this behavior will get worse.


Does he "whoa?" And if he does, I would mount him, sit for a minute, then get back off...while it is YOUR idea, and not HIS.





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Reply:Sorry - but if you dont know what to do with a horse like this and are resulting to Y!A for the quickie... you shouldnt even have a horse like this if you dont know how to handle the situation
Reply:a horse that has been so leary of people you can start by not using the bag any more because sometimes little things affect each of us different you are winning over his trust and have reached a point where you need to go further... so take him by the lead and just take him out walk him like a dog spend time raising the trust level with no expectations and give him treats...also leave him for an afternoon in the round pen . he's not freaking in the stalls because thats were he feels most secure be safe...
Reply:He sounds like he's been through a rough patch. One thing that I've used with success with a youngster is have him loose in the pen or someone else lead him round while you ride another horse. If you have some quite tracks try riding out while leading the horse with you. Start this with another person leading while you ride beside the horse. This lets him get used to haveing someone higher than him when outside.





You don't say how long you have had the horse for and it will take time for him to forget the previous experiences and start to trust you. The other thing to try would take him right back to the start but do everything in the pen, so start getting him used to the pad and saddle and all that in the pen before you even think about trying to mount. Use a mounting block and get him used to you leaning over.





Leave the clipping and bathing for just now, you can only work on one or two things at a time and clipping isn't really a necessity.





I know you say you only took the horse on because you feel sorry for it but you also need to consider whether you have the experience to deal with the behaviour. I rescued a tb last month. He is increedible sweet and not a bad bone at all. I was riding him regularily and had been with no major issues for 3 months and then he bolted and I broke both ankles. I'm now rehoming him as I've realised I don't know enough to deal with this behaviour but he's going on loan so as I always know he is in a good home and won't be badly treated again. If you feel that this horse is outside of your experience, expecially if you haven't broken a youngster before then you need to consider if you can safely work with this horse. If you feel you can't then I would suggest rehomeing to a more experienced home. In the uk there is a wonderful website called 'project horses' that only advertise horse like this one and I would imagine there is a similar thing in the us.


If you feel you have the experience but are struggling with one or two points then consider getting a trainer to come and work with you and the horse. The other option would be to forget trying to back the horse for a year or so and just spend the time letting the horse come to trust you without anything being asked of him and then try again in a year or so.





Good luck with whatever you decide to do with your horse - if you do decide to rehome him, don't feel bad as that may be the best thing for the horse and just think, if you find a brilliant home for him he wouldn't have been there were it not for you taking him in and doing all the early work with him. :-)
Reply:sounds like you like this horse . if you have the money send him out to a trainer. why get your self hurt.
Reply:I don't wonna parrot the other good answers you've got already,


just wonna let you know that I really appreciate what you're doing for hat horse.


Just don't loose your patience with him, you know, everything bad that happened to him happened during the most important part of his life, he got afraid of humans and what they're doing, he has no clue about people not being bad all together, like an older abused horse might have seen better days before the abuse happened, so they are able to remember the better times which obviously back now, they will faster recover when put in to better conditions.


All your boy can remember is what happened since he was born, he now has to learn first that you can be trusted which will take more time.


I think too that feeding with the plastic bag is a great idea, I used to get horses used to ATV's while bringing the hay in to the fields with it.
Reply:Tricky situation. I personally would recommend the Parelli Program (PP), lead by Pat and Linda Parelli. I have been doing the PP for about 4 years now and it is amazing! One of my friend's horses went through a similar experience while growing up. There was no way we could get near her to saddle, and sometimes even halter her. But then they started the PP and everything totally did a 180! Now, this abused, neglected horse is one of the most amazing horses at our barn. Try going to www.parelli.com to get more info on that. I highly recommend it!





Good Luck to you and your horse!
Reply:i would like to add something to black bunnys training methods.i have a real heavy saddle that i use for saddle training,i took the sturrups off and i saddle them up in the round pen and start work there,after they learn to accept the saddle i will turn them out into the corral for a day(always watching).then like black bunny said you weight the saddle and step off(always shake the saddle to let the horse know you are mounting).if your horse is scared of something stop the horse and let it figure out that it wont get hurt.you will know when it has accepted it when the horse drops its head and softens its eyes,one ear will probably face whatever it is but the other ear will pivot to look for other things.i have one that never saw a human till he was 5,the rancher didnt even know he had it.we caught him and he has been with me for four years and is well versed in riding now but the first year and a half were a handfull to train him,just be patient..





edit:sorry i cant think strait right now.physical problems..but when you mount him do you leave the halter on or take it off.mine for the longest time would do great with a halter on but would freek out without it on,so i would just start him doing anything with his halter on and leave it on untill i was done,even durring the bitting process.i think he thaught of it as a safety blanket..
Reply:Maybe your horse would have been the nervous type even without the terrible start.





It's obviously not a short term fix you need or are likely to get.


It's going to take a long time for your horse to be anything like 'other' horses.





If you've broken other horses and they've turned out ok then you should know what you're doing. In the U.K. we wouldn't back a horse without long reining first, but I expect you've already done that.





I would recommend that you stop putting so much pressure on him, why keep bringing out the plastic bag? I understand what you are trying to do but it's obviously an issue to him and he doesn't appear to be learning from it.





If you are genuinely experienced with horses then I suspect you would have already tried pretty much everything, but other than get into a discussion on breaking and schooling, I suggest you try a herbal calmer first, Dodson and Horrells Placid is good and only works on genuinely nervous or stressy horses, not on naughty ones.





Give it a try for a few weeks, and if you have him stabled give him a break and turn him away with good company.
Reply:Wow, very good answers. I would like to ad to have his back checked for physical issues. If he were mine....I would hand walk him and work him on trust issues and get his confidence boosted. Praised the heck out of him when he is a "brave boy". Lots of rubs and kind soft words. You need to reassure him that you will not hurt him and are only looking out for his best interest. Good luck and stay safe.
Reply:Every horse is different, and this one sounds like he needs time to adjust.





Does he buck with the saddle? Or freak out with the saddle at all? Or is it just when you get on? Have you tried leaning over his back without the saddle? Have you tried bareback? Sometimes it's less scary, and if he starts to freak, you can slide off quickly. Just a thought.





It sounds like you've tried everything, and that you know what you're doing. Ponying him with the saddle on should help.





Is he a real hard bucker? Or just spooks and runs? Because I think you can deal with a spooky horse, but a horse that has the instinct to always buck might be a better pasture ornament. If he runs, see if you can work on getting him to really flex laterally, so you can bend his head around to the side, and work on getting him to turn in a circle when you get on. If you can stay on, and just keep him in a circle, his hips will be disengaged, he can't run. But if he's a hard bucker, it's a different story--he'll do whatever he feels like.





I hope you have success with this horse, as much time and effort that you've already invested in him. I know a good trainer I would recommend to you. He isn't one of the big names (I grew up down the road from him) but he really knows a horse's mind and how to help it through tough times like this. He worked with Tom Dorrance, years ago, and has really been a help to me. I call him all the time, if I have a horse problem. Email me if you want his contact information. I know he takes outside horses, and if you're seriously in need of help, he's the first person I'd ask.





Good luck. You've got some great answers above!
Reply:i think its great that you took in a "mentally abused" horse. What do you mean plastic bag? any way be calm around him get him used to wearing the saddle maybe put a bag of flour on his back while you walk him to get him used to the weight read John Leons magazine if you can send me more info ive trained five horses on my own and have helped with many more


Horse questions that I need ASAP?

1. The bit of a rein (for a horse) is placed


a. on the tounge


b. under the tounge


2. Can I stroke my horse during riding?


a. yes


b. no


3. Do you have to loosen the girth of a saddle when about to mount the horse?


a. yes


b. no


4. Some vaccinations are manditory for competing in horse competitions. Please mention the ones that apply:


a. Symic teeth


b. a cold


c. the horse flu


d. rabies

Horse questions that I need ASAP?
1. The bit of a rein (for a horse) is placed


I believe that you meant the bit on a BRIDLE.... It is placed over the tongue across the bars of the mouth (where there are no teeth on the bottom).





2. Can I stroke my horse during riding?


- Yes. Generally this is used as a praise, and can be used on a jumpy/nervous horse to help train.





3. Do you have to loosen the girth of a saddle when about to mount the horse?


- Only if you want to fall.. lol No, always check and make sure the girth is tightened.





4. Some vaccinations are manditory for competing in horse competitions. Please mention the ones that apply:


- Rabies is mandatory. Most others are recommended as you never know what the other horses in the area have (or what they themselves were EXPOSED to right before the competition.)_ Also, a coggins test is required in the continental USA.
Reply:1.a 2.a 3.b 4. I don't know of any vaccinations that are mandatory
Reply:1. a


2. depends if it is pleasure ride or not. if it is a pleasure ride, sure. if not, it will not earn you points and it might make your horse loose attention from what you are working on.


3. You should always check your girth before mounting. usully you have to tighten it becouse some horses poof out their stomachs when you tighten the girth the first time. if you horse is really bad, i have seen some people tighten the girth while they are sitting in the saddle.


4. Im not completely sure, but i think that c and d sound like some manditory vaccinations.





hope this helped!
Reply:1. a well, it's actually on the bars of their mouth, but it sits over the toungue, not under it


2. a you should always stroke your horse when they respond to you well under saddle. They enjoy being stroked, and it lets them know they are pleasing you. Never pat a horse. You pat predators (dogs) and stroke prey animals (horses).


3. b you should always make sure the girth is tight enough so the saddle won't slide before mounting.


4. none of these are mandatory, but it is highly recommended that your horse get the flu rhino, influenza, tetanus, rabies, and the encephalomyelitis vaccine that pertains to your area. These vaccines are the very minimum I would give a competition horse. You can also give them all 3 types of Ecephalomyelitis, and Potomac Horse just to be safe.
Reply:1.A or you will have no control whatsoever


2.Definatley A in a pleasure ride stroking (not patting...which horses don't like) is a good way to bond a horse and tell it you love it


3. Definatley NO... if anything you should tighten the girth because horses tend to hold in air untill you get up there then release it which causes a looser saddle(more comfortable for the horse dangerous for you!)


4. I don't know that any are mandatory but the last two sound like a good idea... they may be mandatory not sure... do some research.
Reply:1)a





2)a, but try not to while you are trying to get them to do something. when they feel that they think they are done with that task. Use it as praise when you finish.





3)b, NEVER. sometimes you have to tighten it before you mount.





4)It probably depends on the compitition. Look into that before or once you enter.
Reply:1. a (on the tongue)


2. a (absolutely!)


3. b (you must tighten the girth before you get on. The only time it should not be tight is in the crossties)


4. a, c, and d (your horse cannot be sick during competition, but you don't need the vaccine for the equine cold)


What does it mean if a person clacks their teeth?

This guy at college has a class across from mine before mine. His cousin is in my class. OK so after ('ill call him spence) gets out of class he goes off on his cousin yells at him says horrible thing about his mother calls him names then tries to bully me into dating him. but the weird thing is he clacks his teeth it sounds like a horse hoof on cobblestone. and he twitches his mouth and his pupils are grey. He sucks his fingers like a cock and screams at his cousin . That hes a worthless piece of crap a nd a loser and crap like that. He just is an ahole.His cousin says he A drug user and a violent warped liitle freak thqt used to beat him and tried to kill him when he was younger. He keeps bullying me. What do I do?

What does it mean if a person clacks their teeth?
he has terrets. i would know..so do i.





they arent all the same reactions..but you cuss uncontrolably..you tap or clack..or you smile a lot..or you wink a lot.


screaming...twitching...if he takes his meds he should be fine..it sounds like he just ran out of them though lol
Reply:Sounds like a bit of a mental case, or a huge jerk. Report his behavior in writing to the Dean of Students, there may be other complaints. If you can have your instructor verify his actions in writing that would help, or possibly another student.


Other than that, there may be nothing you can do, so just try to leave a few minutes late each day and avoid him in the hallway.
Reply:he needs to get some medical help and he needs to leave you alone. repert him or something if he doesnt leave you alone.

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Horse care?

I need to know a few things about horses. 1) how often do the teeth get floated? 2) how often does a ferrier see the horse? 3) how often do they get wormed? 4) what types of vaccines are used and why?

Horse care?
1 when they need it


2 when they need it


3 when they need it


4 what and when they need.





There is no way to specifically answer your questions - some horses need teeth floated once a year, some every six months, some can go 2-3 years without needing attention. It depends on the horse and management and no one here knows that. Feet - again depends - some horses getting trimmed every 3-4 months (barefoot on pasture broodmares) keeps them in good shape. Others need shoes every 8weeks, some can go a little longer...some 6 weeks is enough and, rarely, a horse that really grows some foot 4 weeks. Some disciplines have different shoeing needs than others...so again, there's no way to say without knowing what you're doing with your horse. Horses with feet issues are going to need a more routine schedule than those who don't. Worming - also depends - on management. Horses on plenty of pasture might get by twice a year and be fine - they aren't reinfesting themselves. Many people in stall situations worm every other month and some places worm monthly. Also some use the daily feed pellets....so don't use a paste wormer at all but add the recommended amount to the feed daily.


Vaccines - generally speaking:


Tetanus - exposure is constant and, having seen a horse struggle and die of it it's not something I ever wish to see again.


WEE/VEE


rhino - frequency depends...bred or not? travelling or not?


strangles


West Nile/Potomac Horse Fever - not all areas it's necessary to vaccinate for these - so if you're not in a risk area it's a non-issue.


Best solution is ask your local vet what he recommends for your area and your type of horse (broodmare, show, pleasure, stay home all the time). Might be other things recommended





What everyone here answers is on THEIR horse and THEIR situation. YOUR horse and situation may be totally different and might be too much or not enough when following another schedule.
Reply:1.once a year


2. every 6 weeks


3. quarterly


4. Ask you vet for specifics to your area....good luck
Reply:1.once a year


2. every 6 weeks


3. quarterly


4. Ask you vet for specifics to your area





Good luck!
Reply:We do our horses teeth every other year as recommended by a wonderful vet we have used forever. He thinks doing it too often can cause problems. The ferrier cocmes every 4-6 weeks depending on how often we use the horses and what kind of surface they are walking on. We worm them every 3 months. We give our horses the following vaccines because we feel these are the most neccesary.


-sleeping sickness


-west nile virus


-tetnus


There are a hundred other shots you could give, but we try to keep it down to what they actually need. Over doing it can be a bad thing. Keep that in mind.
Reply:#1) A HORE GENERALY NEEDS THE TEETH FLOATED EVERY OTHER YEAR UNLESS YOU HAVE A YOUNG HOSE THEN ITS EVERY 6 MONTHS TO A YEAR BECAUSE OF THE EVER CHANGES AND GROWTH SPURTS A YOUNGSTER GOES THROUGH AT ANY RATE HAVE THEM CHECKED ONCE A YEAR UNLESS OTHER WISE INSTRUCTED BY YOUR VET..... #2) A GOOD RULE IS 6-8 WEEKS UNLESS YOUR FARRIER NEEDS TO DO SPECIAL SHOEING THEN HE MAY SUGGEST SOMETHING DIFFERENT JUST REMEMBER A HORSE GOES A LOT OF HOOF IN THE SUMMER..... #3) EVERY 6-8 WEEKS AND IT IS BEST TO ROTATE THEM WHAT I DO IS WORM MY HORSES EVERY TIME THEY GET SHOD (SHOEING) SO IT IS EASYER FOR ME TO REMEMBER ........ #4) YOU SHOULD CHECK WITH YOUR LOCAL VET SINCE THEY MAY VACCINATE FOR DIFFERENT ILLNESSES ON THE EAST COAST THAN THEY DO ON THE WEST.......... ALSO YOU SHOULD BE FINDING OUT WHAT ALL THIS IS GOING TO BE COSTING YOU.......
Reply:Teeth float once per year unless they have some problems then about once every six months.


Farrier evey six to eight weeks


Wormer every 8 weeks.


Vaccines vary by area but most get once per year and they are


Equine Encephalomeylitis Eastern, Western, %26amp; Venezuelan


Tetnus


Rhinopneumonitis and Equine Influenza both the A-1 and A-2 types


Some people give rabies and


Potomac Horse fever and Strangles
Reply:I work with an equine dentist in our area and horses under 15 years need there teeth done every single year.Some people think it is OK to do every other year.I have stuck my hands in those horse's mouth and their teeth are very sharp.Please get them done a minimum of every year.For horses under 3 years old I recommend every 6 months.Problems can arise quickly in the young guys and it is best to stay on top of things in case any problems show up.





Farrier visits depends on the horse.As a rule it should be every 6-8 weeks.I have a paint mare with crappy feet that has to be done every 6 week on the dot or her feet chip of and look horrible,even though I have her on hoof supplements.On the other hand I have an Arabian who has feet like nails and she gets done every 10-12 weeks depending on how her feet look.They grow slow and hardly ever chip.The 2 horses that I ride I have shoes on because where I ride is very rocky and there feet get sore if I don't.They get reset shoes every 8 weeks.





Worming is done every 8 weeks or so.It is best to rotate between dewormers.I use Ivermectrin,Strongid and Anthelmetic.I also use Zimectrin Gold in the fall as it treats Tapeworms.





What shots you get depends on where you live.As a general rule you should get Rabies,West Nile, and tetanus.Talk to your vet and see what he or she recommends for you area.For instance I live in PA,but I often ride in southern MD where Potomac Horse Fever can occur.I get that shot for my ridding horses even though PHF is not common in my area but is where I ride.





Best of luck to you.Feel free to e-mail me at carpenoctumstable@yahoo.com if you have any other questions or would like some friendly horse advice.
Reply:2)every like 8 weeks or once a season 3)twice a year
Reply:1. once a year. i usually do mine twice a year, just to avoid any unnecessary discomfort.


2. 4-6 weeks, depending on how fast their feet grow, if they have shoes or pads, and seasonally; horses feet often grow faster in the spring and summer months.


3. this depends on the program you use; your vet can recommend a good one. i rotate dewormers, and worm every other month.


4. this is dependent on where you live, as some diseases are not a threat in certain areas. get a local vet's recommendation. west nile, potomac, strangles, and flu/rhino are a few common examples. it's really up to you what you want your horse to be vaccinated with, but many boarding barns have requirements in order to keep all the horses healthy, particularily in a showing environment, where horses are coming into contact with other horses from all over.


Is my horse overdue or due...?

hi my horse was due to get his teeth done in december, but i didnt get a chance to call the vet out to do it. but i have noticed he hasnt had any problems with his teeth (does this mean i can wait a few more months?) he's been perfectly fine, unlike some horses at our barn that drizzle food from their mouths and bob or shake their head when they're ridden...so could he wait a little while?

Is my horse overdue or due...?
Sure, you can wait a bit. You don't appear to be having any problems with weight loss or other symptoms.





Floating the teeth is like trimming their feet - some horses need it more often than others.





IMO I prefer the equine dentist using the hand floats over the electric floats. The electrics, in unexpert hands, can take the teeth down much too fast.





Hope this helps.
Reply:Sounds like your horses teeth are OK, I usually have the horses checked by a vet on a regular basis and their teeth getting done if necessary only, some horses have to be done twice a year, others don't require any floating at all, it always depends on how their teeth grind naturally, but a check up is required for all of them.
Reply:You can wait a little bit, but as soon as he shows signs of overgrown teeth, get em done. Gl


The teeth of the browsers, shuch as Mesohippus, were coverd with a thick layer of enamel.?

the teeth of the browsers, shuch as Mesohippus, were coverd with a thick layer of enamel. the teeth of the modern-day horse, by comparison, have less enamel and appear to be much wider and flatter. provide reasons for some od the changes on teeth.

The teeth of the browsers, shuch as Mesohippus, were coverd with a thick layer of enamel.?
If you are a browser such as mesohippus, you are eating many different types of plants, including twigs and shrubs. This tough material requires a thicker layer of enamel to prevent premature wearing of the teeth.





As horses evolved, they became grazers, and their teeth are wider and flatter to help grind the grasses and sedges that they eat. These materials are less tough and wearing on teeth, thus less enamel depth is needed.


The teeth of the browsers, shuch as Mesohippus, were coverd with a thick layer of enamel.?

the teeth of the browsers, shuch as Mesohippus, were coverd with a thick layer of enamel. the teeth of the modern-day horse, by comparison, have less enamel and appear to be much wider and flatter. provide reasons for some od the changes on teeth.

The teeth of the browsers, shuch as Mesohippus, were coverd with a thick layer of enamel.?
Maybe the grazing was tougher back then;

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The teeth of the browsers, shuch as Mesohippus, were coverd with a thick layer of enamel.?

the teeth of the browsers, shuch as Mesohippus, were coverd with a thick layer of enamel. the teeth of the modern-day horse, by comparison, have less enamel and appear to be much wider and flatter. provide reasons for some od the changes on teeth.

The teeth of the browsers, shuch as Mesohippus, were coverd with a thick layer of enamel.?
This would be the directly linked to the diets of these animals. Less enamel on horses because they eat grasses, oats, hay and fruit/vegetables (when they come in contact with benevolent humans), that do not require excessive mastications. However, the Mesohippus diet also included small twigs as well as fruit. Breaking down more woody food would necessitate stronger teeth - with thicker layers of enamel.


The teeth of the browsers, shuch as Mesohippus, were coverd with a thick layer od enamel.?

the teeth of the browsers, shuch as Mesohippus, were coverd with a thick layer od enamel. the teeth of the modern-day horse, by comparison, have less enamel and appear to be much wider and flatter. provide reasons for some od the changes on teeth.

The teeth of the browsers, shuch as Mesohippus, were coverd with a thick layer od enamel.?
The teeth of browsers as compared to grazers are likely to be different due to the type of diet. Browsers, which tend to live in more wooded areas, have a much more varied diet than grazers. The diet of a browser is likely to consist of leaves, bark, nuts and seeds which all have different textures and require a different type of tooth to cope with. Grazers tend to graze only on the shorter plants of the open plains, hence having a much more uniform diet and teeth to cope with this.


Do young horses ever lose baby teeth?

Dental care is really important on a horse. Yes young horses lose their "baby teeth", also known as deciduous teeth. The first deciduous incisors may erupt before the foal is born. The last baby teeth come in when the horse is about 8 months of age. These teeth begin to be replaced by adult teeth around age 2 1/2. By age 5, most horses have their full complement of permanent teeth. An adult male horse has 40 permanent teeth. A mare may have between 36-40, because mares are less likely to have canine (bridle) teeth. Here's some ages when different teeth erupt in a young horse:





1st incisors (centrals) Birth or 1st week


2nd incisors (intermediates) 4-6 weeks


3rd incisors (corners) 6-9 months


1st, 2nd, %26amp; 3rd premolars (cheek teeth) Birth or first 2 weeks for all premolars





Here's some ages for when different teeth erupt in yearlings and up:





1st incisors (centrals) 2 1/2 years


2nd incisors (intermediates) 3 1/2 years


3rd incisors (corners) 4 1/2 years


Canines (bridle) 4-5 years


Wolf teeth (1st premolars) 5-6 months


2nd premolars (1st cheek teeth) 2 1/2 years


3rd premolars (2nd cheek teeth) 3 years


4th premolars (3rd cheek teeth) 4 years


1st molars (4th cheek teeth) 9-12 months


2nd molars (5th cheek teeth) 2 years


3rd molars (6th cheek teeth) 3 1/2 - 4 years





I hope this helps! These are my notes from class....





-megan

Do young horses ever lose baby teeth?
Yes they do. They have "milk" teeth first and loose them later
Reply:Yes they do.
Reply:Cant say anything your other readers haven't already said


If this is your first horse then get a good manual or vet guide
Reply:Yes they do.They have what they call "milk teeth" and they come in at the following ages.





Deciduous (Baby Teeth)





Ist incisors(centrals) Birth or 1st week


2nd incisors (intermediates) 4 - 6 weeks


3rd incisors (corners) 6 - 9 months


Ist, 2nd, %26amp; 3rd premolars


(cheekteeth) Birth or first 2 weeks for all premolars








Permanent (Adult Teeth)





1st incisors (centrals) 2 1/2 years


2nd incisors (intermediates) 3 1/2 years


3rd incisors (corners) 4 1/2 years


Canines (bridle) 4 - 5 years


Wolf teeth (Ist premolars) 5 - 6 months


2nd premolars (Ist cheek teeth) 2 1/2 years


3rd premolars (2nd cheek teeth) 3 years


4th premolars (3rd cheek teeth) 4 years


1st molars (4th cheek teeth) 9 - 12 months


2nd molars (5th cheek teeth) 2 years


3rd molars (6th cheek teeth) 3 1/2 - 4 years


Why do Americans love to check on other people's teeth and use "smile" pretext?

I was taught from my childhood - well, all people here - to be normal and serious and that mindless and reasonless smiles are a trait of an idiot. We smile when we are happy and laugh when we hear a joke.


Americans are constantly trying to look inside your mouth, and their spiel goes: "I want to see your smile". It's obvious that they want to see your teeth, not your smile. Do they think that they are all dentists or something? And how queer and insulting such an approach is - we are not horses to have our teeth checked by all and sundry.

Why do Americans love to check on other people's teeth and use "smile" pretext?
Most Americans won't say this.





Some may say this if they think you are sad, or they have known you for a long time, but they rarely see you happy or smiling. In general, though, this is not a common thing for Americans to say.





If someone is saying this in a rude manner (because they want to scrutinize your teeth), then just ignore them, leave them, and allow them to think about what they did wrong.
Reply:I guess we do tend to look at people teeth. But i don't think its a conscious thing. With all they teeth whitening creams and strips on the shelves, as well as a vast assortment of toothpastes, jokes on the busted grillz of some foreign coutries, etc, maybe americans do check teeth out alot. why we are fixated on it, i'm not sure.





i myself will glance at somebodies teeth while they are talking to me. I think americans do this because we are critical about everything and people tend to gossip about other people about their shortcomings.
Reply:The old saying goes "Never judge a book by its cover", unfortunately society does. A pleasant smile from someone on a first impression is easier on the eyes than a missing front tooth or none at all for that matter. When I was a kid, I had badly flouride stained front teeth. I was VERY self concious and NEVER smiled without covering my mouth. Thankfully before I entered into high school, I got my teeth fixed. My self esteem increased tremendously. Not only because I got a beautiful smile that I had always wanted but also because the teasing from my childhood peers had come to an end!
Reply:When I might say... smile.... to someone it's because they look sad... it's another way of saying cheer up.

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Would you partake in sexual intercourse with someone whose teeth resemble a horses?

I think Ronaldinho can pull as many chicks as he wants!

Would you partake in sexual intercourse with someone whose teeth resemble a horses?
If they had a great body and wouldnt ming doggy style
Reply:Only if it was John Elway! :) LOL
Reply:probably not
Reply:Whoa!
Reply:Probably not...Oral just sounds scarry.
Reply:Yes I would. In fact that is one of my top priorities.





Best Regards,


Mr. Ed
Reply:you must of had your drunk goggles on..
Reply:Depends if you luv the person. I would not mind if I luv the person
Reply:yes i would if that person is the one i love n ofcourse he loves me too and we are married!
Reply:What difference do their teeth have to do with making love?
Reply:no
Reply:umm..maybe not..scares me a lot!
Reply:It all looks the same in the dark
Reply:nope. i would be scared that they would bite something off accidentally...and also, kissing is one of the most best foreplay activities...and i'm not limiting your area of focus for this kissing and so...sorry to be shallow but nope. can't do it.
Reply:Brown bag her, then yes.
Reply:Yes, but stay away from the mouth.
Reply:you nasty person, if you find her attractive it would not matter, obviously you are just thinking about adding another notch to the post!
Reply:probably not.
Reply:Well, If another "important thing" resemble too, I would....





;-) !
Reply:You mean Animal sex?
Reply:yea, it turns me on


Young horse teething problems?

My 4 year old has a split gum and I was wondering at what age do horses finish getting their teeth?


I can see half a tooth emerging but the area looks red and sore. Is this usual or is it a job for the vet ?

Young horse teething problems?
Your 4 year old will be in the process of losing his corner incisors. The milk teeth [small, white, distinct neck] are being pushed out by the premanent teeth [ larger, creamier, no neck]. This often results in a sore gum with minimal bleeding and swelling. Not usually a problem, but a smear of Bonjela on the sore gum may help. You don't need a vet for this, but your horse's teeth need checking and rasping twice a year [horse dentist].





Of more interest is what is happening to the back teeth [molars], which you can't see. Over the next year or so, milk molars are being replaced by permanent ones. This is usually pretty painless, but if the horse gets difficulty chewing, you need a well qualified horse dentist. I regret to say that vets are pretty useless with tooth problems, and don't have the specialised equipment to deal with them. You wouldn't go to the doctor with toothache would you?
Reply:hey u might want to take her/him to the vet are have the vet come to u .


it happened to my philly she was ok but she was in pain 4 a while


it could be a gum infection r just teeth still cooming in and they finish getting there teeth around the age of 4 1/2
Reply:Its quite usual-dont worry too much- a lot of young horses experience some discomfort when teething-i would suggest that you dont ride him for a while if it looks sore-horse usually have all their teeth by 5-6 years old.!!xx
Reply:I would wait a week and look again and just watch the horse to see if it goes off its feed.





Emerging teeth can irritate the gum and make it look red.





Watch it closely and if it looks worse or horse stops eating then I would take it to the vet.
Reply:this is quite usual, try rubbing Bonjela over the affected area it will take away some of the soreness.
Reply:Horses have baby teeth just like we do. at 4 he will be shedding caps. (baby teeth) and growing his new pre molars. Get an equine dentist to come take a look if your worried. Don't know where you are but the BVA will be able to give you the number of a regestered equine dental Technition in you area


What does "horse face" mean??

ive heard this name called to some celebs


and i don't unnderstand how someone can look like a horse


do they have big teeth??





cause Kristin Cavallari and Heidi Montag from the hills/laguna beach people have said they have horse faces but i dont see how





google them on images if you dont know who they are...

What does "horse face" mean??
Kind of long and bony with fairly pronounced jaws, and usually big toothy mouths. Think Princess Anne.
Reply:Sharp, well built, shapely face.
Reply:a long face basically ...like john kerry looks like a horse to me .
Reply:it means to have a long face, somewhat like a horse.
Reply:They have long faces.
Reply:It's a face only a mother could love.
Reply:Long, narrow face.
Reply:i think maybe like, big nostrils, stuff like that
Reply:tori spelling eyes nose are harsh .
Reply:Long cheekbones. A lot of space between nose and upper lip.
Reply:u know who looks like she has a horse face? marie osmond. google her if u dont know who she is
Reply:Long face, big teeth
Reply:Long face and big teeth.
Reply:I'm thinking long face, big nose, and big teeth
Reply:Sarah Jessica Parker, Carly Simon.
Reply:It means they have a long somewhat shapely face. Maybe possibly even big teeth? It depends on who they accuse of it. That's my guess though.
Reply:It's applied to anybody who reminds the insulter of a horse. Heidi Montag has kind of a big chin, is probably why she's being called that, though it's rather a stretch in that case. Tori Spelling is a little more horsey. Mostly it's just a slightly more creative way of calling someone ugly.





Andrew Jackson, however. He was horse-faced. And an effing bastard. http://www.visitingdc.com/president/andr...
Reply:This term I think is more of a derogatory remark rather than a facial feature. You'll never say horse face to somebody you admire for example. Your child may look like horse face to others but never to you. So I think it is moot to discuss what horse face especially if you plan to use it on somebody else. I may say they are "uncomely" he he. But not horse face.. he he





cheers!
Reply:Some say it's a long in the face appearance. This can be taken a couple of ways. Some ones face may be longer than average, or like in feeling sad. He looks long in the face. It's subject to individual interpretation
Reply:maybe it means they look like gay


but i dont think they look like one
Reply:I looked and those two aren't too bad. Suzanne Somers to me is the "original horse face".


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Reply:What does a pimple look like have a merry christmas
Reply:rosie o'donnell





Now THAT is a horse face.





Tori Spelling- Definitely has a horse face!!





That witch from sex in the city- the main actress She is the


queen of the horse faces!!
Reply:I think it is a perjorative first and foremost--the actual resemblance is secondary. A big head, or a long one, or excessively serious attitude. Big teeth probably come into play.


P.S.--Googled: Kristin Cavalleri (?) not a horse. Heidi Montag, strap on a feedbag.
Reply:It's not because they have a long face.





When someone has a long face, people ask,


"Why the long face" ?(don't call them horse-face)


To which, they would answer, "Because my Dad was an "Apalooser" with a long "Horse-Face"





Most often though, they're called "horse-face"


because they look like as if a "Giant Sasquach"


("Big Foot" to land-grabbing caucasians) that just woke up after a long 3 day drinking binge and has a mouthful of rotten teeth and a "HOARSE"


whiskey voice just got done "ROARING" loudly


all over their ugly long Face !
Reply:I don't think it's nice to call someone "Horse face".
Reply:In China "Cattle head" and the "horse face" is an Idiom,also two persons' name.means All sorts of vile people,cold-blood animal.ghost.


Cattle head and horse face is also called Ngau Tau and Ma.


These two persons are only responsible for fishing ghost.(mean:they catch someone who died) they stand on the other side of the bridge(river).


There is an old love story goes that


牛头和马面.


牛头问马面


你的心怎么不跳


马面不理他


牛头自语


我的心怎么也不跳





牛头去河边捞鬼魂


网里的心都不会跳


马面在船头微微笑


我们并没有什么奇怪的


别人的心不是也都不跳





牛头说自己看见过一只猫


马面说牛头是胡说八道


猫儿从来都藏在雾里


他们只负责把鬼魂踹下河


河里的鬼呀呱呱叫


后背都有条猫后脚印


可是问他们从哪里来


各个都说不记得





牛头说想改行做猎户


马面问为什么不继续做渔夫


牛头说猎人不用见鬼


马面问见鬼有啥不好的





牛头想过河去见猫


他说猫儿能帮他做猎户


马面给牛头带了一张饼


说要是后悔了还能有力气回来





马面站在冥河边


看牛头河对岸就不见了


河的对面是大雾


牛头就消失在大雾里





左三年右三年


牛头从此没回来


马面自己捞鬼魂


天天都往对面看


translate (maybe there's something wrong with translation):


Cattle head and horse face


Cattle head asked horse face "why your heart no more beat?"


He ignored horse face


Cattle head said to himself "why your heart no more beat either?"





Cattle head to the riverside fishing ghost


The heart in the net do not beat


horse face smiling face in the bow


We have nothing strange


Other people's heart also do not beat.





horse face said he had seen a cat


horse face said: horse face is nonsense -


The cats has never hidden in the fog.


They are only responsible for the ghost kick into the river.


The ghost in the river will cry.


All of the cats back after footprints


But asked where they come from?


they donnot remember.





Cattle head said Orion would like to do diverted


horse face-Q Why not continue to do fisherman


Cattle head said hunters no need to meet ghosts


horse face-Q meeting ghosts is a good thing.





Cattle head want to cross the river to meet the cat


He said that the cat can help him do Orion


horse face brought a cake to the Cattle head and said If regretted that the effort could have come back





horse face-on offerings in the riverside


Look at Cattle head disappeared on the other side of the river (on the other side of the river is full of fog.)





Cattle head is disappeared in the fog





Since then Cattle head haven't come back again.


horse face fishing ghost all by himself and looking on the other side of the river every day (horse face misses Cattle head).
Reply:It means your face looks like a horse, not just the head, like a whole horse!


My horse chomps at the bit almost constantly. how can i make him stop?

i do western pleasure with my quarter horse. i use a simple 3 inch shank bit that has barely a bend in it, and he usually does pretty well. recently he's been chomping at the bit a lot, especially when i wiggle the reins to get his head down. he will chomp the bit and put his head down way too much, like he's trying to eat grass, and it will mess up his pace and usually mess up my position as well. and it looks so unprofessional and ugly, at least to me. the vet was up recently to get him his shots, and he said my horse didn't need his teeth floated, so i dont know what im doing wrong. please help?

My horse chomps at the bit almost constantly. how can i make him stop?
My gelding does the same thing when he is bored and has decided to go deaf when I am working him. You might try this. Don't "wiggle" the reins. If the head is up. Then lift your hand straight up and ask him to tuck his nose while you are driving him forward with your leg. It sounds like he is not breaking over correctly at the poll and is dropping the shoulder a bit. You need to go back and do a little tune up on collection. Also, horses get bored just doing one thing over and over. Try changing up hs routine. Work some trail obstacles, jog over poles, etc. Please do not change to a different bit, snaffle, or bosal. Work your horse in what you show in. I saw you got griped out for the "wiggling the rein" comment". This I am assuming is a series of small bumps to lower the head. And is done by a lot of the top trainers. It always amazes me that people think you can think a horse into doing something and never touch a rein or anything else to cue them. And in regards to the comment about an unatural head position. That was really uncalled for. You may not agree with the way a pelasure horse travels, but have you ever stopped to think that there is really nothing that a person can teach a horse that is "natural" to them. That is why it is called "training" in the first place. Good Luck with your horse


PS A bit is onyl as harsh as the hands holding it. AND you cannot show an aged horse in a snaffle. So before you knock the bit, know the rules.
Reply:He probably doesnt like the bit nemore, maybe it bothers him. You should try riding him with a snaffle.
Reply:Check his teeth. Maybe thats bothering him. My horse does it because he just DOES! I get him to stop by applying pressure with my heels to keep him going, but I take ONE of the reins and give it a frim (not jerk) tug. He usually stops.
Reply:Well my first thought was that he was learning something from you. Usually when you're teaching your horse something new, it chomps and licks it's mouth in understanding. Funny isn't it? But i don't think that's it if he's chomping constantly. It could probably be just a phase. My horse Chip chomped for the longest time and then just stopped. No bit change, no nothin'. Then he started up again so we switched his bit from a small port to a tom-thumb, now he's fine. Just wait it out a little. If he persists, then just fiddle around a bit and see if it's the bit.
Reply:Stop wiggling your hands to get his head down as you are probably annoying him or causing the bit to bother him. Get him to put his head down by adding leg and riding him forward in to a steady hand with which you apply half halts. (Sort of like squeezing a soft rubber ball) Be sure you ride him into the half-halt through your seat and leg. When he drops his head reward him by giving a little with the hand that asked for the half-halt while keeping light contact with the opposite hand. This will actually cause him to seek the bit and lower his head even more but it MUST be supported with your seat and leg
Reply:One of mine did that, I got tired of hearing it to! So I use a hackamore on him, but he's broke.........
Reply:My riding instructor's horse does that too. He's a really high energy horse. She now uses a bit with a roller on it, it seems to work pretty good.
Reply:It reads like he is uncomfortable, or has found a way of getting out of what you are asking him to do, but first make sure the placement of the bit is correct and its not hanging to low in his mouth and hitting his teeth when he drops is head,also some horses like the taste of certain bits, and some horses just like to " chomp on them" out of boredom or to play with the thing in their mouth. He might be just getting out of the work you are asking him,horses are very good at it! You also might be really annoying him with that " wiggling of the reins" generally your hands should be as still as possible.
Reply:Low-Med port roller bit. Or a Bosal.
Reply:I'd try a different bit even though he usually likes that one, and get a second opinion on his teeth cuz thats usually the problem when a horse does that...i'd have an actual horse dentist look at it
Reply:First off- a shank bit is a very harsh bit. "Wiggling the reins" to get your horse in to a false headset (to get his head down, like you said) is not the right way to do it.





Put your horse into a snaffle. To get the horse to lower their head, they must have the right muscle tone, not just have you saw on their mouth in a harsh bit. Without that, they cannot carry their body the way you need for western pleasure- no matter WHAT the bit is. They need muscle to balance their body and they need muscle through balanced riding - in a snaffle they will work their bodies more the correct way and worry less about "if I move this way, that bit is goona hurt my mouth!" and evade the bit.





Doing some training in a snaffle bit and learning to ride your horse forward through your seat is the answer here.





Regardless of your discipline, finding a harsher bit is not the answer.





The bit you currently use could also be too low in the mouth.(Sometimes leather stretches, even if the bit is on the same bridle-hole as always) so if you refuse to switch to a snaffle, even though that is best, try to bring the bit up in the mouth just a tiny bit. See if this helps.





Also you will need to learn to not saw on the reins, regardless of what bit you use. This is a very bad habit and VERY annoying to the horse and it makes the horse dead in the mouth.





Believe it or not, dressage training works WONDERS on western horses. Try to find a dressage trainer in your area who would be willing to help you learn to ride from your seat more and your hands/bit much less.
Reply:My suggestion is this... I show Western Pleasure and train Western Pleasure horses (mostly Arabians), and when I'm schooling, I always put a cavasson on the horse...this keeps thier mouth closed and doesn't allow them to learn to chew or "take hold" of the bit. In addition to this, possibly you are using a little too much hand and not enough leg. Try squeezing as us "wiggle" your hands, and if he takes hold of the bit give him a nice "bump" to let him know that is not what you want him to do, then do it over again. Make sure that for the most part you are allowing him a fairly loose rien and are just using the "bump" to remind him of his headset. When going in and out of gait, squeeze first and take hold of his head with a light but steady pressure and allow him to collect first and then give him his head back.
Reply:my friends horse, vegas, does this too. he doesn't do it with me but he does it with her because she is a weak rider and she doesn't know how to get him to stop. he chomps the bit to set it in his teeth where it won't hurt him and then he puts his weight into his neck and jerks down and yanks the reins through her hands and leaves leather burns on her hands. when he goes to try and set the bit i tug back on the reins and make it o he can't set it and he stops. he does it because he is trying to be a bully because he knows with her he can get away with it. your horse migth not be doing that yet but he migth start so keep an eye on him.





also check the bit to see if it is rusting and there is anything unusual on it. he migth be sick of that particular bit and needs a new one. try him with a few different snaffles and a western curb and see how he does.


you can also test out a nose band if your not already that will restrict him from opening his mouth far enough to chomp but it won't be too uncomfortable.


i would recomend a snaffle because they give easier and that helps with a horse that dislikes a non jointed bit like a western.


check the corners of his mouth to see if the bit has given him a soft mouth and he is trying to let the bit stay forward in his mouth and not touch the sore spots he will have.


you could also try bridoon bits they are similar to snaffles.
Reply:if he chomps constanly i would try and tighen the bridel. usually they do that to hold the bit in their mouth.

asp

When I start training my horse,?

do i have to break him to the bit also?(he's 2 y/o) Can I just start training him with a hack instead of a bit or does a big allow u to have more control over the horse? my horse hasn't had his teeth floated yet and right at the moment, I don't have enough money to get a vet to fix his teeth for me...does his teeth have to be floathed before i bit-break him?

When I start training my horse,?
Does your horse need his teeth floated? The bit shouldn't affect whether or not the teeth need floated. Yes you need to break him with a bit in his mouth try a lit easy snaffle ask your tack shop to help you later after he can yield to the bit and you have control of him you will be able to move into the hack don't rush your horse take plenty of time do lots of ground work and patience with young horses are important. Teach him to respect you and your space leg yeilds and softness and politeness , be able to control those hind quarters as well. there is so much to tell can't do it here . You'll do fine.


Good luck to you guys.


Horse Vet Check -- what are some of the things that should be checked before buying a horse?

Does anyone have advice regarding the health check of a horse before purchase? What are some of the important things that should be checked? Also, have you run into problems with the purchase of a horse that you wish you would have known about before the purchase? I am considering the purchase of a horse and would appreciate any experience you could share so that I (and others) can avoid making the same mistakes.





An additional question: Should I be concerned if the horse likes to grind its teeth while working on the bit? This seems like just a bad habit as the teeth have been regularly floated, but I just worry that there might be health and/or performance problems as a result of this habit. Anyone have any experience with this problem?





Thanks so much for your help !!!

Horse Vet Check -- what are some of the things that should be checked before buying a horse?
i agree with the other poster, you want to make sure the hooves are in tip top condition (you dont want laminitis) and check all limbs, stay apparatus, teeth are especially important. i would also have the vet check for gut sounds, make sure everything is sound on the insides. not sure about the grinding of the teeth thing.


have the vet do a prepurchase exam, they will know what to do.
Reply:I am riding a horse that grinds teeth working. Sometimes, habit. Check legs, vet does flexion tests, ask for conformation, soundness. If you purchase you might post Q about grinding teeth, suggestions, or ask owner for 30 day trial. Get good vet, good reputation. Report It

Reply:Well when you are buying it i would suggest you bring your trainer or vet with you.. you NEED to look at its conformation, i would google the proper confirmation for horses online if i were you. Report It

Reply:get the teeth and hooves checked out
Reply:I agree with the other two posters, hooves and teeth are important. Also, make sure a Coggins test is run and negative before you buy. Just a general physical from a vet as well. Also, depending on what you plan on doing with the horse, have him ridden for you as well as riding him first yourself.
Reply:If the horse grinds its teeth while working on the bit it may also crib. I would check about that. The vet can confirm the approximate age. I would ask an experienced farrier to check the feet, ask for shot and worming records. Check the legs for soundness. The vet may suggest some other checks that will help you make your decision. Good Luck
Reply:find out if they've ever had thrush(hove problem) their diet, problems, behavior, if a mare find out if she's ever been bred or any hormone problems that might complicate breeding, if they've been wormed, what shots they've had


the bit thing, don't worry about it if you're concerened have an equine dentist come out and if you're really worried you could but a bit seat in their mout and it will stop that biting/chomping problem(we did that to a couple of our horses)
Reply:well you can have the vet do a special "vet check" for buying a new horse. i would without a doubt do this before you buy one. that was one of my biggest mistakes when i bought my horse. a vet can check (or should be able to) everything about the horse.





my old stable used to have a lesson horse that ground his teeth all the time when you were riding him. it drives you nuts. but i don't think it's a medical condition or problem. just a little annoying.
Reply:The others answered the vet thing but I just wanted to throw in that if the horse is in a pasture you want to either catch it yourself or have them Catch it for you while you are there watching. Nothing I hate more than a horse that you have to chase around the pasture for an hour trying to catch. When you tack it up, watch to see if it is touchy in the girth like when you cinch it tight, does it kick, or try to bite, or something along that line. When you pick up the feet does it stand quietly for you or try to pull away. make sure that you ask if it is spooky towards anything, lawn chairs in the yard, garden hoses laying around, anything like that. If I was you I would go and see the horse at least a couple of times before buying, and maybe make a surprise trip out to see it and how it is when they are not expecting you.. you never know what they can do if they know you are coming to quiet a horse down..
Reply:If you take the horse to an experienced equine or large animal vet, they will know all of the vital health problems to check for. We also get an experienced farrier to check a horse out before we buy. He will know if the horse is being shod in a specific way to correct tracking problems and/or lameness. Grinding teeth can be caused by several things: 1. bridle not fitted correctly so bit rides too low or too high in the mouth, 2. some bits just don't work for certain horses. 3. he's unhappy with what he's being asked to do and taking some steps back in training can correct this nervous behavior. 4. sometimes certain teeth on horses have to be removed because they interfere with the bit(wolf teeth). If the horse still grinds the bit/teeth or gapes his mouth, then use a caveson. That's what it's made for.





The seller should also declare things like if the horse is a cribber, etc. It's just proper horse selling ettiquette.
Reply:Here's one about the bit playing thing. an old friend bought this Arab and after looking it over and test ridding it, I told my friend this horse has had some really bad habits. He asked...How do you know? I said for starters, this horse is only 7 years old and has had 9 different owners (BIG RED FLAG) also, all the teeth on the left side were gone. We all know what that means, he takes the bit and turns into a run away and what was left of his teeth on the right side, needed floated but all wally saw was a $900.00 price tag and wanted the horse, BAD MOVE! this horse turned into a killer horse, not untrained, not scared and not just hyper...this was a true killer horse and after he hurt a dozen people he asked me to sell him. I said no, be my luck some young girl will end up with it lookin for a gymkhana horse and the darn thing will kill her and I wasn't going to live with that on my conscience. wally's now afraid of the horse, no one but me can ride him and he's now just a hay burnner oh, did I leave out the part where he's tummy didn't sound good nor did the look of his stool and when I told wally to have a vet check out this horse, he didn't want to spend the money and said "na, he's ok" Well the moral of this true story is....There's no such thing as a good $900.00 Arab, teeth missing on one side, when a horse looks at you with cross hairs in his eye's that your afraid to ride it and your so tight with your money that you wont pay for a vet, Don't buy it! and dang sure, don't ask someone that knows better with a conscience to sell it! what happened to the horse?? I put it down with a .45 instead of using drugs so we could give it to "Little out of africa" and they fed him to their tigers, panthers and lions. at least someone got some use out of him.
Reply:Have your own vet check the horse - NOT one recommended by the seller.





As for the vet check - what do you want to use the horse for? Trails, halter shows, jumping? If you're looking for a specific riding/driving discipline, make sure to tell your vet that - s/he may have some additional ideas about what exactly to look for.





Find out when last vaccinations were and by whom. Is the horse on a regular de-worming programme? Who shoes/trims the feet? All questions YOU should know the answer to before having the vet out. If you can, talk to the farrier about the health of the horse's feet - both past %26amp; present - s/he will know better than anyone.





Your vet should check the teeth - they may need to be floated but teeth grinding can come from frustration over something too. Or the bit might be causing discomfort - or the bridle not fitting properly.





Also have your vet do a flexion test on all 4 legs - this tells you alot about soundness %26amp; potential.





If the horse is at a medium to large barn, there's bound to be gossip. Try to talk with other boarders who know the horse (out of ear-shot of the current owner) and see what they know about the horse's attitude, temperament %26amp; health - both past %26amp; present. Also, you'll want to know if the barn has had any major illnesses run through there in the past 6 mos. - i.e. strangles or equine flu.





Avoid sellers that say things like: Anyone can ride this horse! Never been lame a day in his/her life! Aw shoot - never noticed that before! Now that there doesn't normally happen! -- They're usually more interested in getting your money than they are finding a good home with a loving, new owner for their horse.





Bottom line - even if the horse passes with flying colors - get everything in writting!! It's best to have a grace period built into the sales contract - say if the horse isn't going along as you'd hoped within 30 days, you can return him/her and receive 80% of your down payment back (of course if anything happens to the horse while in your care should also be stated in the contract).





Good luck!!


=D
Reply:have the vet check every thing ok... every thing.. and the grindin on the bite can be taught out of it.. ok.. so don't worry about that. but MAKE SURE IT IS NOT THE SAME VET THE HORSE HAS BEEN USING... ok never do that..
Reply:You will be wanting to check anything and everything. You will want to check everything from what kind of butt hairs he has to the hairs on his chinny chin chin. You want to know his health records, the shots etc. You also want to check the hair, the eyes, the nose, the hooves, the legs, the riding experience. And loads more. Ask your vet, if he/she is a proper vet they will know what kinds of questions to ask and what to check. You should also got to the owners and talk with them-privately (or with your family). You wan to make sure that this is your dream horse, ever had colic? cant it jump? canter? Will it be tall enough for a few years for you? If he cant canter or jump, and you want that, dont try to train/break him, unless you have loads of experience. Oh and also make sure that you take him on trial for atleast 2 weeks. OH plus my friend was looking for a horse, and asked my help, well it was too short, had the grinding teeth thing, and hoof problems, and well not a great jumper. SO make sure this horse, really is the the one.








Good luck, and i hope you get that dream horse!!
Reply:ok well first you want to check there gums and make sure there not white. If they are this could mean they are sedated. You want to touch them all over to make sure you can and that when you do they won't kick you or try to bite you. If he does he might need some attention from the vet because he is hurting. Make sure you pick up his feet and they look ok. Get all of his records...shots, pedigree...so you can research the horse. And make sure if you want to be riding it that the previous owner will ride it for you and you watch. If they won't you will know something is up. Find out how it does with other horses, what the feeding schedule is and what he or she has been eating. Ask if the horse has ever colliced or foundered before. Also just find out what kind of basic training he or she has.
Reply:I just want to ask you a question if I may? Have you reviewed all the records of vet checks from the current owner. I use to keep mine in a folder and always had it handy.





Secondly, hoofs are important and teeth are important, but the vet should pull blood for things like Coggins. If the horse is up to date on its shots according to the owners records then no worries.





Further, the legs should be suited to the type of riding you want. Ask a vet to check the length of the forearm and see if it is long enough for say jumping and dressage.





Chewing on the bit is a bad habit and it is not good for their teeth, it wears them down.





Rubber snaffles can be used to help protect the teeth. Or you can try hackamores.





Good Luck and Take Care





P.S. Be sure to ask the current owners if the horse has had any tendon injuries in the past. They might be honest with you.
Reply:See if you could get a two week trial. When I bought my horse, the seller and I agreed to a trial, and the sale would be void if the horse didn't pass the vet check. Also, it is a good way to see how you and the horse really get along, and if the horse was drugged at his previous barn. I know that sounds bad, but people will sedate their horses to make them seem calmer. With a trial, you will see the horses true personality. But I would never buy a horse without it passing a vet check. In regard to your question, your vet should have a standard of checking the horse. Also, always use your own vet... in other words, not the vet the seller uses. This way, there will be no conflict of interest.


How much does it cost to get a horse's infected tooth pulled?

just wondering

How much does it cost to get a horse's infected tooth pulled?
Your Vet will give you an estimate if you need one for your horse. If your just asking, the cost is usually 80 to 150 in most areas.Equine Dentists charge a bit more but are specialists in horses' teeth. You might need a course of antibiotics as well, and those costs vary.Budget 200 to be on the safe side. If they're are complications ,you might see a much higher bill. Its impossible to say,but I guarantee its less than having a horse suffer and perhaps get much worse. The pain must be horrible! If you can meet the Vet or Equine Dentist at his/her clinic, you save the ranch call(40-70 depending on miles)and you can get a less expensive x-ray.


Nothing about horses is cheap or free.. except the boundless love they give us and the fun you share with them.
Reply:Ask your vet. It varies from case to case, vet to vet.
Reply:If your vet can do it, you will pay between $30-$40 for a barn call, another $20-$50 for meds, depending on the level of infection, and possibly another $50-$70 depending on the misc. supplies he will use (gauze, rags, etc.).If you need to call an equine dentist, they are much more. But be aware that the cost of waiting will be much higher.
Reply:If your horse has an infected tooth, it is very important to get it checked out by your vet as soon as possible. Pulling teeth from a horse often is followed by complications, especially when there is infection involved. So the sooner you get it done, the better. As far as costs, it's going to vary quite a bit depending on you situation. At the low end, you will most likely be paying for the vet call/hospital visit, the oral exam, the tooth extraction, general sedation and a local anaesthetic block, and possibly radiograph(s) to determine the extent of the problem (and if it's even infection, or something else). Like I said previously, dental problems can easily become complicated. I recently saw two horses at our hospital that both came in needing one or more teeth surgically extracted. Both of them were at the hospital for ~3 weeks. So, their owners were paying for the surgery, the board, daily cleaning of the oral cavity and all the supplies that go with that. I don't know their exact bills, but it was easily in the thousands.





So, the point is, the sooner you act, the better chance you have at keeping the bills low! :)


How do you determine if and when a horses's wolf teeth need removing?

Wolf teeth are removed surgically if their size or location could cause painful bumping by the snaffle bit or pinching of the horse's skin between the wolf teeth and snaffle bit. If a wolf tooth is small and fits tightly up against the second premolar, it might not cause a problem. But if the wolf tooth is large or there is a space between the wolf tooth and second premolar, it is much more likely to result in a problem because the tooth is standing alone, unprotected and the mouthpiece of the bit could hang up in the space between the wolf tooth and the second premolar.





Wolf teeth are usually removed when a yearling colt is gelded to take advantage of the fact that he is already sedated for the castration. With fillies, wolf teeth can be removed anytime after about 12 months of age and before snaffle bit training begins.





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How do you determine if and when a horses's wolf teeth need removing?
If your having alot of trouble with your horse throwing his head when you ask for him to do anything that makes you put any pressure on the bit ...it may seem like you have a heavy hand but it could be the teeth....the bit hits his teeth when you are asking him to do stuff ....sometimes even while you are leading him he may try to pull his head away...if you go through a lot of bits trying to find the right one with no luck ... that might make you think it is his teeth and the not the bit..anyway call your vet and get his opinion
Reply:Wolf teeth should be removed if the horse is having trouble with the bit. If you don't use a bit, don't worry about it. Wolf teeth take up the space where the bit lies in the mouth. If metal hits the tooth it hurts. Try tapping your tooth with a metal spoon, you will see exactly how the horse feels.
Reply:They will be very sensitive at the mouth and may even become nippy-- they will have trouble eating too and may stop all together... Make sure you get a dental checkup at least once a year, and if you suspect your horse has a bad wolf tooth you should call the dentist!

flip flops

Some vaccinations are compulsory for competing in horse competitions:?

((this is a Q on a test I was taking, can't find the answer on the net.))


Here are the multiple choice answers:





A)Rabies


B) A cold


C) A pitchfork


D) Horse Flu


E) Symic Teeth





Any help would be excellent!

Some vaccinations are compulsory for competing in horse competitions:?
In the AQHA, APHA and CEF (Canadian Horse Federation) there are specific rule books for showing your horse. In none of these associations are there specific rules that I'm aware of that you MUST have your horse vacinated with anything! To cross the boarder they have certain requirements for shots, and many stable owners have personal rules, but I have not seen it at an Open or Breed show.


Many people choose to vacinate with 5 way (Tetnus, Eastern and Western enciphilygitis, influenze and rhino) as their horses are at risk from contagious diseases being stabled and shown near many other horses, but it is personal choice. I also do West Nile as there is a risk of it where I live.


If I was to answer your question above I can tell you that A) I've never ever met anyone who vacinated their horse for rabies, although I expect it would be a good idea if your horse was at risk of being exposed by wildlife, and it was prevelent in your area B)a cold can't be the answer as there is no vacination for colds, even for people 3)can't be a pitchfork D)horse flu, I guess they mean influenza and that is one of the recomended ones for show horses although I know it has never been cumpulsary or even asked about at any Open or Breed show I've attended and E) what the heck is symic teeth? I'd guess a trick question. So the only answer could be D.


Next, how often do you need to clip your horse? Clip them for what? My show horses get clipped just before each show, I clip them about 4 days before so there is time for any track marks to grow back in. I clip faces, fetlocks, bridle paths and partial ears (I don't totally scoop out ears, just tidy up the inside and outside). In the time between shows I allow everything to grow back in. My every-day trail riding horses get clipped a time or two a year, just so they look neat and tidy, and so its easy to put on their halter/bridle and so their legs don't pick up alot of extra mud and lower the chance of grease heel/scratchs.


Lastly, you are supposed to respect highway codes, and vehicle drivers are supposed to treat you as they would any other vehicle, which means passing you only when safe and allowing you the right of way at stop signs, etc as appropriate. On the other hand, since many vehicle owners do not do this, I am very careful when riding near traffic as it will be my horse and I that lose if we ever have problems!


Good luck.
Reply:Well, I only show minis and for that you just need a Health Certificate not any shots so???
Reply:A)Rabies rabies are the only one of those choses neissary plus a negative coggins








ummmm once a week when competing





and yes you must respect highway codes
Reply:compotion horses need there raibies, rinonuminitis, east/west esephamenalightes, intra nasel flu vacc. , ect.


If you are traveling out of state, a coggins
Reply:I think it's either A or D





I never clip my horse. when i use to show i would trim his ears but i never shaved them completely. It isn't nice to do that they need that fur in their ears to help keep the bugs out i only clip if i am horse showing other than that never.





Yes you do have to follow the highway codes
Reply:Whether or not your horse needs certain vaccinations, such as those for rabies, encephalitis ( I don't know why, but it seems that no one here is able to spell that word, and most of the weird attempts at it make absolutely no sense at all) the flu, or any other disease depends to a large extent on where you live and on how much traveling and competing you will be doing. There are special rules that have to be followed if you compete on the international levels in some sports, such as dressage, show jumping, and eventing, but this is not true for all of them. You need to ask your vet what is appropriate for your particular area and for your horse. Tell the vet what your competitive plans and schedule are, and ask him or her for recommendations. I DO know that ALL of the major shows and events require proof of a negative Coggins test within the current year- this is usually mandatory, for the safety of your horse and the other competitors' horses. There is also an FEI rule which requires all horses shown at that level to have an official passport and health inspection card, regardless of what country they come from. Other than this, though, I don't know enough about where you live and what your plans are, so I can't say yes or no to anything.





As far as clipping goes, that depends on what type of showing you're doing, and how often you do it. It also depends to a large extent on where you live, as well as on your personal preferences. Generally, I don't clip my mare's ears in the winter- she needs the hair in them to keep them warm. In the summer, I only clip right before a show, and I try to make sure that I leave at least a little bit of the hair in them for protection from the flies. Nature meant horses to have fuzzy ears for a reason, and when we clip the hair out or off, we are interfering with this. I don't ever body clip, because our horses live outside year round- and they need their winter coats for warmth.





You asked about riding on the highways- yes, you DO need to respect the rules of the road, and stay off the main thoroughfares if you are riding. You also need to wear light or reflective clothing if you ride out after dark or in poor lighting conditions ( such as in heavy fog or in snow) and you need to remember to WALK your horse on paved or concrete roads. This is for your own and your horse's safety- horses can slip and fall on asphalt, especially if they are shod, when going any faster than this. In addition, make sure that you ride facing traffic, just as you would on a bicycle, and that you wear a helmet. Finally, you need to be aware of, and obey, your state's traffic laws and regulations when you ride. Horses which are being ridden or are pulling a vehicle are considered to be pedestrians in most states, and motorists are REQUIRED to yield the right of way to them and slow down. Spooking a ridden horse or stampeding livestock are serious offenses in most places, as is blowing one's horn at a ridden horse. If you are out riding and a motorist does this, PLEASE, report it to the authorities !! Get the license number or tag number of the vehicle, and give the dispatcher a description of it. These types of things are only rarely reported by people who experience them, and they really should be, because this kind of behavior can cause a serious accident in which someone can get hurt or even die. The only real way to stop motorists from doing this is for the people who are honked at to report the offense when and where it happens, every time it happens. The police KNOW that honking one's horn at a ridden horse is a traffic offense- they aren't stupid. It's just that horsepeople need to be more proactive, and report these things as they happen. If everyone did, we would all be a LOT better off- to say nothing of being much safer. This brings up another point- make sure that someone always knows where you are going if you ride out, and that you carry and know how to use a cell phone. You may not think you will ever need it, but the first time there is an accident or something happens, you will be eternally grateful to have it. Hope this helps !!
Reply:D. Horse Flu


Usually combined vaccine with Eastern Western and Flu/Rhino


I show and the only vaccine ever required is the above.





Your horse NEVER has to be clipped but can be if you want him to be.





Yes you need to respect highway codes, unfortunately I think this is true in most states.


Does anyone know of a horse painting where the horse appears to be howling at the moon?

The horse has really big teeth and a pointy tongue or ears one. Its for my gf she needs to know for an animal science class. I need to know the name and artist.

Does anyone know of a horse painting where the horse appears to be howling at the moon?
I think you might be referring to a painting by Mexican artist Rufino Tamayo. Although it is a wolf, not a horse, well that is what Tamayo said, who knows?


Free-leasing an old horse - what costs are reasonable?

I am free-leasing a 26yo horse for my daughter. Whilst a standard free-lease states that I will be responsible for all vet/dentist/health bills, I am interested in peoples views on what is reasonable, given the age of the horse. Dentistry of old teeth is a good example.

Free-leasing an old horse - what costs are reasonable?
I would assume that means you will be responsible for the yearly vaccinations, semi-annual teeth float, farrier bills and any other issues that may arise. These are my estimated figures based on what my vet charges:


Vaccinations: $150-200


Teeth: $125-150


Farrier: Barefoot ~$50, shod all the way around ~$120 every 6 weeks





What I would be more curious is what the owners stance on age related issues. What if the mare comes up arthritic, are you then responsible for the diagnosis and treatment of that? A little morbid, but if the horse needs to be put down, are you responsible for that and making the final resting place arrangements? If this mare is on joint or other supplements due to her age, are you now responsible for the cost and expense of those? I am assuming that in this lease the mare is remaining at the owners facility or where she is currently boarded and basic feed and hay are a non-issue, but if a vet suggests changing the feed to something board does not cover will you be responsible for the cost difference?





These are things that when loving an older horse are things to consider whether you are buying the horse or leasing as you are. I would sit down with the owner and get some things ironed out and in WRITING that way there aren't any surprises or confusion in the event something does happen.
Reply:4,000 dollars
Reply:Yes and hoof care , a good diet for Sr horses , shelter from bad weather , plenty of clean water and shade from heat .
Reply:Well, you are probably looking at a little more expense given the age but you have to determine what is reasonable. Dental is going to be a huge thing with an older horse, supplements to keep him healthy if being ridden including that for arthritis if needed. 26 is pretty old, anything could happen at that age now. I guess I can't tell you what would be reasonable but taking this another direction. Is your daughter ready for the fact that this horse could be gone at any given time? His heart could give out on you or even while your daughter is riding. Is she mentally prepaired to accept that if it were to happen? Sometimes, things for free can be more than people are ready to bite off.





Its great though that the owners are free leasing him and great that you are willing to care for him in these later years in his life!
Reply:Anything that correlates to the upkeep of the horse. Vet, farrier, dentist, vaccines, feed, board etc





I would have them also provide you with reciepts of the vaccines so you make sure they are doing the upkeep.





Good luck!
Reply:If your talking monthly I don't think to much more.


Teeth floating costs are different all over the country. I only pay 50 dollars and it's done once a year.


If a horse needs shoes than it needs shoes so that's a cost no matter what.


Senior feed is only a dollar or two more for a 50LB bag so again that cost is reasonable and is a compete feed so you shouldn't need to supplement unless they horse is having a hard time keeping weight on.


I would have a vet out to see this horse to make sure it's not having joint issues which would be a problem


I agree with the person who wrote that you have to find out what else your responsible for.


Who pays if she has to be put down for an injury or colic.


I know many people still riding there older horses in competition with no ill effects on the horse. YOu just need to give her the rest she needs and proper care. She can easily live another 5 to 10 years.

men dress shoes

Do young horses lose baby teeth?

yes so they have room for stronger, adult teeth.

Do young horses lose baby teeth?
yes not very many though
Reply:Yes, horses actually go through a couple of teeth changes. They will lose teeth just like a human child - you can see the new teeth emerging as the old teeth loosen up and fall out. Sometimes their breath will stink a little during the process.
Reply:Absolutley,I have found a few myself
Reply:yep.. Start at age 21/2 and finally have full adult teeth at 6.
Reply:yes, and you should have the permanant wolf teeth out if your going to be riding in a bit.


Do horses need their teeth brushed?

No one actually brushes their horse's teeth, but caring for them is extremely important.





An equine's teeth are constantly growing, very slowly, all the time. They would get longer and longer if they didn't get worn down by a lot of chewing on rough foods like hay, But a horse's upper and lower teeth don't always fit together exactly, and sharp edges can form that hurt the horse's mouth. So every year or so, a veterinarian has to gently grind down these sharp points and edges. This is called "floating" the teeth--although has absolutely nothing do with a plastic raft or a swimming pool!--and actually looks a lot like brushing.

Do horses need their teeth brushed?
of course!
Reply:sometimes but they need to be checked regulary
Reply:yes filed and brushed, horse dentist $$$$$$
Reply:No I dont believe they do. But they do need to been given carrets/apples to help keep the teeth form growing to large. (yes there teeth grw like our finger nails do)
Reply:Yes of course if you are going to kiss it.
Reply:No not if they eat what Horses would eat naturally in the Wild.


2 many Polos %26amp; Yes I'd consider giving them a brush.


Sugar will damage a horses teeth, same as they do human teeth.
Reply:Yes, I have 2 morgans, I brush their teeth all the time, and I get them regular dental checkups.
Reply:I would think anything that has teeth should be brushed.
Reply:No, if they did God would have given them hands. Their natural food serves as toothbrush.
Reply:Sure. They are looking for you.
Reply:yes they do
Reply:Of course the horse need their teeth brushed cleaned, There is Colgate for horses you know?.





But Mother Nature make it dificult for the horses to do that themselves, so you have to do it for them.





I remember my neighbor used to even use underarms deodorants as well.





:-)
Reply:hell ya they are just like people
Reply:Horses need to have their teeth checked on a regular basis to determine if their teeth need to be "floated" as explained in a previous reply. However, I had an older mare that had problems with "food" accumulating along her gum line, so, yes, I did take a wet brush (I used a denture cleaning brush) and remove all the old food, which also was causing a bad odor. She actually liked having it done.


"Never look a gift horse in the mouth" - Who knows what this means and who doesn't?

I actually had to look it up, so I wanted to take a poll. (it means to accept a gift gratefully - you can tell a horse's age by looking at its teeth - but if you get a free horse, and inspect its teeth, that would mean you were ungrateful).





I'm trying to figure out - if this phrase was used in a movie, would everyone get what it means? Thanks!!

"Never look a gift horse in the mouth" - Who knows what this means and who doesn't?
I do, but I can't tell you who doesn't
Reply:I know you consider my answer rude, Dominique, but yours was about the sixth poorly phrased question I had read in a row that day. I just think we can do better. If we have any kind of intelligence and education, we can write a question that clearly seeks a useful answer. Report It

Reply:Ya, I know this phrase. It's quite common, I would think that most people age 20+ would have heard it once or twice at least.
Reply:Yes, I think you could safely use it in a movie and assume that most of the viewers would get what it means, as long as you show it in a country where that idiom exists. It's a pretty common idiom.
Reply:that means you should grateful for the gift that someone gave you. it will upset the person who gives you gift. if you don't like their gift, you should grateful them
Reply:I believe that most people that were born earlier than 1970 would know what it means.
Reply:I was aware of what it meant. I'm not sure how I knew though, although it is a somewhat common phrase I have no recollection of how I learnt it's meaning.


I think if the phrase was used in a movie most people would understand what was meant, ie not be ungrateful of a gift, but perhaps not as many would be aware of the origins of the saying,


 
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